October 15, 2009

  • Letter 2 on assurance and fighting for joy

    Before reading this post, If you've not yet done so, please read Letter 1 on assurance and fighting for joy...

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    Dear friend in Christ,

    I can see why you wrote what you did. I think what threw you was the phrase I used "fighting for joy."

    I do know that I can't seek joy itself but must be seeking Him. I so agree with that.

    But I do think there is a battle that goes on for joy, perhaps that's not a correct way of putting it. Perhaps better: a battle that goes on to know Him better.

    Though there is much more to it that I've been thinking about, and I am not going to get into all that now (some posts coming, I hope), I think part of the battle is in our thinking that the type of joy Paul had or the type of joy Stephen had while being stoned is only for certain Christians. Even though I would have said I was entitled to that as a child of God, I don't think I really believed it. But now I am more convinced than ever it is something God wants to give all His children--as much as I am also convinced that assurance of salvation/forgiveness of sins is also something He wants to give all His children.

    Perhaps you have already had this sense, so it's not an issue for you. But this is new to me.

    Think how much more effective we could be in laboring if in addition to assurance of forgiveness of sins we also had such a settled and abiding sense of God's joy. Think how much more powerful a testimony we could be when worldly concerns begin to storm around us, if we could stand firm in the joy of the Lord. The world is looking at us and wants to see what we'll do when all our props are pulled out from under us. They don't think much at all if we praise God when things are going well. But the crucial question is this: are we joyful even in the worst of circumstances?

    As we continue to be prone to every emotional twist and turn (I know I so tend to be ), we are going to stop marching or come down from the wall, stop building the boat, stop sowing seed, etc., etc. Anytime we stumble or stop in the race is lost time. I know none of us can walk perfectly and we will stumble from time to time, but can I not expect to have a more settled and steadfast ability to rejoice in the Lord, to know Him and have His joy fulfilled in me than I do at the present time?

    I am just beginning to think through these things and feel I only have a glimmer of what I believe God wants to give me/His children. Martyn Lloyd-Jones spoke about the glorious possibilities regarding the Christian life and I wrote that post about our being excited over a dead fish and a car wreck. I can see I'm not wanting to settle for what I have now (even though it – rather He – is so wonderful!), I want more of Him and more of whatever He has for me. (Of course, yes, I also do know what that also entails: more responsibility, more commitment, more risk, more challenge, etc.) But to know Him more and the extent of His love for me and to be filled with all the fullness of God. (The end of Ephesians 3.)

    Perhaps you have lived with this sense and expectation of joy (which I suspect you may have), but frankly, I've never even seen this as a real possibility in quite this way until now, though was beginning to do so not very long ago. I always knew I could and should have a greater joy in some way, but it was all very vague and fuzzy, and I wondered if I could really have it. The possibility was only a possibility; it was only "out there" there somewhere. In the past day or so now it seems more than a possibility...

    So as you wrote, let us enjoy Him! O, come let us adore Him! O, come let us enjoy Him! When we enjoy Him, He is glorified and we are happy! (Christian hedonism )

    Thanks again for "listening" and praying and caring.

    Your sister,
    Karen

Comments (10)

  • I am so thankful how God picks us up and gets us back in the race.

  • This touches on something that I have been thinking about a lot in recent days: each of us is in a different place, and God has a different path for each of us.  Each has arrived at different truths at different times.  Were they all there to be had all along?  Certainly.  But how wonderful would it be if we could share what God has brought each of us without judging the strength or worthiness of fellow Christians because they don't already have it? 

    Thank you for this.  And what a blessed couple of days this has been for both of us.

  • I have always liked 2 Corinthians 7:4 (b) '...I am filled with comfort, I am exceedingly joyful in all our tribulation.'

  • @YouTOme - Amen. Micah 7:7-9.

  • @blonde_apocalypse - Yes, I agree with you. This is a much needed reminder to me.

    We all run the race at a different pace. The things that seem obvious to us today, we were blinded to yesterday, and we only see them by the grace of God opening our eyes to them. I agree we can't be judgmental, and we need to share in a way that we are always mindful that anything we have is not of us but from Him and for His glory, and to do so humbly and in a way that encourages others to press on rather than trips them up, i.e.-to edify rather than tear down.

    I do think the Church in many places is in danger of limiting God, turning our love relationship w/ God into a lukewarm belief. We can lose sight of the glorious possibilities and the inheritance He has for us today, e.g.-Paul's prayer at the end of Eph. 3, which I alluded to in this post: that we would know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge and to be filled with all the fullness of God.

    Praise God that He never lets go of us and continues to be patient and longsuffering with us!

  • @ANVRSADDAY - I love that verse! exceedingly joyful in all our tribulation. How can we ever do that apart from the power of God at work in us?

  • Sometimes when I read the Word they are but words, like notes on a page with no audible music. But when my heart is in tune, THAT's when the sweet knowledge of His presence is clear. Repent, (come as a clean vessel) Pray (ask for Divine Spiritual guidance) Obey (trust and be willing to follow the Spirit's prompting). This is a fight with my flesh. This work done, is also JOY. Good read as always here. Have a wonderful weekend.

  • You wrote: "can I not expect to have a more settled and steadfast ability to rejoice in the Lord, to know Him and have His joy fulfilled in me than I do at the present time?" 

     Yes, I think we not only can be settled and steadfast, but I think He tells us over and over again that this is the normal Christian life - what it should be.

    Jesus said, (speaking to His Father) "...now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves." ....and these things He prayed just before His "trial" and scourging and crucifixion -and knowing that all that was about to take place! 

  • @orangeranium8 - Sometimes when I read the Word they are but words, like notes on a page with no audible music. I love that analogy.

    The mystery we also have to consider is that even when we are not in tune (unrepentant), because He loves us, His Spirit will convict us through His Word.

    It is a continuing fight, as you say. But what joy we have as we put off/mortify our sin and put on Christ for we are once more giving place for His Spirit to dwell in His fullness! While we still have unconfessed sin, we are quenching and grieving Him and limiting Him.

    I hope you are enJOYing Him this weekend!

  • @quest4god@revelife - Yes, I think we not only can be settled and steadfast, but I think He tells us over and over again that this is the normal Christian life - what it should be.

    Yes, I SO agree with that. I've included a little of that in my next letter on joy (which I know you've read since commenting here) and I hope to touch on that more as well. I was reading ML-J (who else?) today. I've read his writing on this before re: the experiences of Whitefield, Edwards and so forth. Just b/c we haven't experienced something doesn't mean it's not normative. We can't dumb down our understanding of NT teaching or our expectations of the Christian life based on our own experience. We have to look at the Word and see God's promises to us there and the life He wants to give us.

    Good reminder about the context of Jesus' teachings about joy to his disciples/us. I don't know if I'd actually considered that before.

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Christian hedonist in training. Pressing on to know more and more of the joy of the LORD. Pleading with God to rend the heavens and revive and refresh my own soul, as well as His Church, to His praise, honor and glory.

Thank God. He can make men and women in middle life sing again with a joy that has been chastened by a memory of their past failures. ~ Alan Redpath

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