June 25, 2009
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Are you getting up into the high mountain or have you become lukewarm?
From Charles Spurgeon's "Morning and Evening," June 25, Morning:
"Get thee up into the high mountain." — Isaiah 40:9
Our knowledge of Christ is somewhat like climbing one of our Welsh mountains. When you are at the base you see but little: the mountain itself appears to be but one-half as high as it really is. Confined in a little valley, you discover scarcely anything but the rippling brooks as they descend into the stream at the foot of the mountain. Climb the first rising knoll, and the valley lengthens and widens beneath your feet. Go higher, and you see the country for four or five miles round, and you are delighted with the widening prospect. Mount still, and the scene enlarges; till at last, when you are on the summit, and look east, west, north, and south, you see almost all England lying before you. Yonder is a forest in some distant county, perhaps two hundred miles away, and here the sea, and there a shining river and the smoking chimneys of a manufacturing town, or the masts of the ships in a busy port. All these things please and delight you, and you say, "I could not have imagined that so much could be seen at this elevation." Now, the Christian life is of the same order. When we first believe in Christ we see but little of Him. The higher we climb the more we discover of His beauties. But who has ever gained the summit? Who has known all the heights and depths of the love of Christ which passes knowledge? Paul, when grown old, sitting grey-haired, shivering in a dungeon in Rome, could say with greater emphasis than we can, "I know whom I have believed," for each experience had been like the climbing of a hill, each trial had been like ascending another summit, and his death seemed like gaining the top of the mountain, from which he could see the whole of the faithfulness and the love of Him to whom he had committed his soul. Get thee up, dear friend, into the high mountain.When I read this portion of Spurgeon's words
Paul, when grown old, sitting grey-haired, shivering in a dungeon in Rome, could say with greater emphasis than we can, "I know whom I have believed,"I began to ask, "Was Paul really content at that point with the knowledge he had, with his relationship to Christ? Did he really believe he'd arrived? Had he stopped pressing on? Did he believe he knew all he needed to know?" Second Timothy was most likely the last letter Paul wrote and he didn't have much time left on earth.
We can look back a few years to Paul's words in Philippians 3.
Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— 10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. 12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. 13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.As Paul wrote his second letter to Timothy, had Paul really stopped hungering and thirsting to know Christ more and the power of His resurrection to share in the fellowship of His sufferings? Had he let up in his pursuit? Had Paul become tired? Had Paul come to the point where he was saying, "I know Christ. I've arrived. That's enough. I'm done pressing on. The end is near. I'll be with the Lord soon enough"?
We read these words in II Timothy 4:
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing.Wait! Is this really it for Paul. Has Paul hung it up? Is he no longer pressing on? Did he have such an eye on heaven that he'd let up in pursuit to know Christ? Is Paul really saying here, "I know Christ. I've arrived. That's enough. I'm done pressing on. The end is near. I'll be with the Lord soon enough"? Was Paul content with his present knowledge and his current relationship with Christ?
No! No! We only need read ahead a few more verses. See what he writes in verse 13. (This little portion of Scripture is one of those personal allusions we might be tempted to overlook, but see how it which gives us real insight into Paul's perseverance in pressing on to know the Lord.)
When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, also the books, and above all the parchments.Look! Here is Paul nearing the end of his life, and yet what is he asking for?
The books . . . and the parchments.What were these books and parchments? This from the ESV Study Bible:
Books refers to scrolls of papyrus, while parchments would be vellum sheets made of animal skins. The papyrus scrolls may have included writing materials, official documents, or Paul's personal correspondence. It seems most likely that the parchments would have been books of some kind, quite possibly a copy of the OT in Greek. In any case, Paul is expecting to die soon, he is still concerned about getting his "books [and] parchments," so that he continue to work for the sake of the Gospel.I would agree that Paul was indeed continuing to work for the sake of the Gospel, but I would go further than that and say that Paul was still pressing on to know Christ with the same passion he'd written about a few years earlier in Philippians 3:
Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— 10 that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. 12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. 13 Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.Paul was still pressing on to know Christ! He knew he had not yet obtained it or had been made perfect. He was pressing on to know Christ even more intimately! Therefore he wanted the books and ... the parchments.
In Ligon Duncan's talk "Finishing Well," given at the 2009 Gospel Coalition conference, he made it a point to highlight II Timothy 4:13:
When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, also the books, and above all the parchments.Duncan quoted from one of Spurgeon's sermons:
"Even an apostle must read."Even an apostle must read! If an apostle must read, how much more so must we read? Consider that Paul had a direct revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ on the Damascus Road, Paul had an experience of being taken up to the third heaven and Jesus spoke to Paul in a vision at Corinth. And now Paul had been preaching for thirty years. Yet what do we have here at the end of his life? We find that Paul, even an apostle, wanted to read and keep reading! He knew he must read if he wanted to know Christ more!
Duncan added, "The man who never reads will never be read," and then quoted Spurgeon once more:
"The best way to spend your leisure is either to be reading or praying."
How are you spending your leisure?Can we say we love Christ and not spend time with Him?
Can we say we love Christ and leave our Bibles sitting on the bookshelf?
Can we say we love Christ and not spend time with on our knees in prayer?
Are you pressing on to know Him with the same passion you had when you first came to know Him?
Are you pressing on to know Him even if you've known Him 10, 20, 30 years or more?
Have you become lukewarm in your pursuit of Him?
Have you become content to stay in the valley or are you continuing to get up into the high mountain?I'm 50 years old now and here at Xanga/Revelife I have become acquainted with some older brothers in the faith who are continuing to press on in the same way Paul was. I'm talking about Norm and Frank. I have found it a pure pleasure and joy to get to know them a bit, especially now as I'm getting older, there are fewer people around who are older than me! And I only pray that in 20-25 years, if the Lord gives me that much time here, by the grace of God, I will be pressing on as they are today!
(While at the conference I had a conversation with a young man who was still in seminary. We discussed which seminars we would be attending. I mentioned I'd signed up for Erwin Lutzer's "Finishing Well in Life and Ministry." He said that had sounded good, but figured he didn't need to take something like that at this point in his life. That made me simultaneously sad and scared. Often, though not always, the younger we are, the more naive we are. When we're young (or when God first calls us to ministry, which for some of us may be when we're older), we're pretty much on top of the world. We have a vision and a passion. We are ready to take the bull by the horns so to speak. Our dreams our big. Our bubble hasn't burst. But there will come a day when opposition will come and the bubble will burst. We'll trip up in the race. We'll be tempted to stop running the race set before us. We'll become tired and weary. We'll want to hang it up. We'll become disgusted and disenchanted. And all the more so for those who are called to ministry for it is well-documented that a large portion of those who enter the ministry do not end up finishing in the ministry. So by the grace of God, we must resolve and strive to continue to press on, in spite of how we're feeling.)
God forbid that we would hear Jesus speak to us words like He spoke to the Laodicean church:
So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. 17 For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.May our God keep reminding us how wretched, pitiable, poor, blind and naked we really are so we might keep coming to Him to buy His gold, be clothed with His garments and eat daily of the living Bread and drink daily of the living Water! Amen.
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Comments (21)
I do not believe that Paul arrived or anyone will ever arrive. Jesus does not count because He, being God, is and was always there. The reason the why I believe that we cannot arrive is a relatively simply one. God's knowledge is infinite, His being infinite, so we cannot never know Him fully in this life. Instead, we learn more about Him day after day with the guidance of the Holy Spirit and through that, grow more intimate with Him.
Thus, it is important, as you have stated, to continue pressing onward, to continue moving onward and to grow as close to Jesus as much as possible in this life, not only because of the divine blessings that are given to us, but because that blessing can flow to others. In order for this to happen, one must be humble and willing to continue learning from the Lord, to be His disciple, and to understand that one is a sinner, broken to the core with sin. God gives grace to the humble. It is the humble who grows in grace, not the self-righteous.
@Christenstein - God's knowledge is infinite, His being infinite, so we cannot never know Him fully in this life. Yes! It boggles my mind sometime how much since there are times I feel I've learned so much, and yet I only know a zillioneth of what there is to know! As we have keep that viewpoint, that will keep us humble, as you say, and will keep us going back to Him again and again for our daily bread!
God gives grace to the humble. It is the humble who grows in grace, not the self-righteous. Yes. May He keep us humble! It's far too easy to become puffed up.
Appreciate your thoughts here. Thanks.
i will have to read and respond to this later on today. but i've rec'd it b/c i read the first paragraph b/c i knew the rest would probably be just as good.
@YouTOme - Heh. Well, the first paragraph is all Spurgeon, so he's definitely rec-worthy for sure! ("rec-worthy"? LOL)
"Paul was still pressing on to know Christ! " yes, so how much more should we? true, very true.
i agree, it's sad when people think they've learned enough. the more i think i know about Christ, i find the less i really do. i'll never be able to learn enough in this lifetime to satisfy me. He's unfathomable...a few years ago i thought i had Him all figured out. i thought foolishly, Aha! i know how things work. i couldn't have been more wrong. there's always something to learn, always. i agree with you about Norm and Frank.they are great role models and mentors to me as well, whether they are aware or not. lol. =) but so also are you, Karen. i know i want to be more like Jesus, but you are an example of aging gracefully; i want that. a lot of my peers are afraid of getting older, but knowing women like you gives me hope. God will always have something for us to do or something for us to work on; we will be blessed by being blessings to others.
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Thank your for my and Norm's recognition. I look at your list of things to do in my leisure time. I am not even close, but I do pray and read the world, as a bottom line retired businessman. I once went to a new church and they invited me to their Saturday morning Prayer Meeting. They had all of us scatter throughout the building and pray alone on our knees. I was OK for about 5 minutes. Then I tried to prayer memorized Bible verses. The last 30 minutes were very long.
I guess I have an improvement opportunity.
Thanks for your kindness, Karen.
Blessings
frank
@YouTOme - the more i think i know about Christ, i find the less i really do. i'll never be able to learn enough in this lifetime to satisfy me. He's unfathomable...a few years ago i thought i had Him all figured out. i thought foolishly, Aha! i know how things work. i couldn't have been more wrong. Yeah, I hear you on that for sure!
Julie, Thanks for your kind words. They remind me of John Piper's teaching for women; he's said that as we get older we should "age into a sage." I really like that.
And as you said, we will be blessed by being blessings to others. That's exactly God's economy.
Thanks for being a blessing to me,
Karen
@FRANK@revelife - Frank, you're welcome.
Prayer is tough, really tough. It is so easy to do any and all things but pray! In the past several days, I've kept returning to the examples of the importunate widow who kept going before the judge for justice and the man at midnight who needed bread. That's the type of persistent and persevering faith that pleases God.
I've found that it really helps me to have my Bible open and then to begin to read, reflect on and then pray Scripture. That's one of the things George Mueller did. You may find John Piper's article, "The Marks of a Spiritual Leader helpful; it talks about prayer in the lives of Hudson Taylor and George Mueller. (I think I'm going to print it out to reread myself...)
@naphtali_deer -
I have read about Hudson Taylor. He is in a class all by himself. He is so amazing in his life and the way he prayed.
John Piper is some kind of giant intellectual as to the Christian life. I just wave at those people as I sort of drive by in reading some of their material.
The first book I was asked to read was a Fundamentalist, John Rice--"Prayer, Asking and Receiving" I think that was the title. I took it seriously, but I have never prayed like most people at church. I just get to the point and move on--not very spiritual. I am doing at least one prayer journal (morning) but trying to do another one in the evening. The morning one is all complaints and requests and the one at night one is more praise, thank yous and trying to exhibit faith. I then have one one word prayers for individuals that works well for me.
I bookmarked the link you sent.
blessings
frank
@ANVRSADDAY - Now as we're speaking of Hudson Taylor, I've been itching to pick up a new biography and we have his around here somewhere...
The article by Piper is pretty straightforward (I do know there are times he does get a bit difficult to follow).
I just get to the point and move on...I think that's the secret to prayer. God wants us to speak to Him from our hearts, no pretense. He already knows what we're going to say anyhow. We don't need to dress it up in any way. Plus we have to remember we're all different personalities, so even though we pray to the same God through Jesus Christ, we'll each pray in a different way.
I like the way you are systematic about praying. I'm not that way at all.
Blessings in Him,
Karen
@naphtali_deer - aww, you're welcome =)
Honestly, I had not seen your post at the time I wrote mine tonight! What a coincidence! The direction of the two posts is different, but the text....! I enjoy Spurgeon also. "Morning and Evening" was one of the books I gave away while cleaning up the mess when my home was broken into and vandalized...but that's another story.
I think I told you that John Piper is one of my favorites. I see that Desiring God is a favorite blog of yours. I've got to find more time....
Thank you for your kind words about us "older men." It's funny to hear you speak of yourself as "aging" I have kids your age!
@quest4god@revelife - Wow! I read your post. That's wonderful, though, as you say, the direction is a bit different. (I've also written a lot about that rear view mirror since I have struggled a lot w/ looking back in the past...)
About Spurgeon: I'd not read any Spurgeon for a long time until I read this devotional. Yesterday morning while I was sitting on the floor (first thing in the morning I like to sit/kneel/lie down there to read/pray), I saw it on the bookshelf and felt I should pick it up. I'd already been contemplating writing something about you and Frank and the example you've both been, but I wasn't quite sure how or when I'd do that. As soon as I read Spurgeon's devotional, it all came together and it was also good as well b/c I'd also wanted to write more about the Gospel Coalition conference too. I had only expected to continue on in posting about the trip to England; that's an example of how I keep get "side-tracked" in my blogging (though not really side-tracked). When new things come, I end up putting things aside I'd planned to write on and then I sometimes don't end up getting back to them.
About Piper: other than Lloyd-Jones, I'm pretty much sure he's the person I've tagged most in my blogging. I'd written a bit about Piper and his impact on me and the Philippians 3 passage here. I don't go to the DG blog that often now; in fact, I don't read as many blogs at all outside Xanga as I used to. I don't have time for it; I feel this is the community I'm supposed to be in now, but I keep the links up there for people to reference. I don't necessarily agree w/ or endorse all that content of all those blogs, but they are sites I've found interesting, challenging and/or which have had an influence on me in one way or another, and I like to send people to good sources of info.
I've not actually read that many of Piper's books, but have heard quite a few of his sermons. It frustrates me b/c he's currently preaching through John, but I've not been able to listen to many of those sermons yet. (You can also read what Piper said prior to beginning that series last fall here. It's a real reflection of Piper's attitude not to waste his life but to press on. (He was 62 at the time he started and now he's 63.) I think I'll add a link to that post at the bottom of this original post...)
You wrote: Thank you for your kind words about us "older men." It's funny to hear you speak of yourself as "aging" I have kids your age!
@naphtali_deer - This last paragraph of yours is touching on one of the posts floating around waiting to resolve itself in my head. Can you imagine how much more meaning " to live is Christ" will ultimately have for us? Thanks, as always, for YOUR encouragement! (Oh...and don't ever worry about "stealing" an idea for a post from me or anyone else. Your outlook on this would be a treat for me...hint, hint, :-}
@quest4god@revelife -Can you imagine how much more meaning " to live is Christ" will ultimately have for us? ... (Oh...and don't ever worry about "stealing" an idea for a post from me or anyone else. Your outlook on this would be a treat for me...hint, hint, :-}
I guess I'm not exactly sure what you're asking here and am a little confused...So I'd be glad to have you clarify.
My first response is to say we can't really imagine what meaning it will ultimately have for us. Some things are beyond our comprehension...All I can say now is that one Day He'll give me a crown and/or a reward of some sort which I'll lay down at His feet and then I'll never cease to worship Him like the angels do now.
Ditto back at you re: the encouragement (despite my present confusion!).
@naphtali_deer - You're getting warm...I was hinting (too vaguely, I see) at the way we will discover new ways to worship God in the New Heaven and New Earth. My mind is racing - going every way at once - excited about knowing Christ face to face, one on one.
Ever since I made that book list, I have been drawn back to the book by Randy Alcorn: "Heaven." So far, I have "written" about 100 blogs on the things that come to mind as I scan over the book again.
One of the concepts discussed is the concept of worship. The author has views similar to mine about this. In fact, it was that similarity that first drew me to the book. I think you'll recognize that in this quote from the book:
"Picture Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Eve says to Adam, 'Isn't this place magnificent? The sun feels wonderful on my face, the blue sky's gorgeous. These animals are a delight. Try the mango - it's delicious!' Can you imagine Adam responding, 'Your focus is all wrong, Eve. You shouldn't think about beauty, refreshment, and mouthwatering fruit. All you should think about is God.' Adam would never say that, because in thinking about these things, Eve would be thinking about God. Likewise our enjoyment of what God has provided us should be inseparable from worshiping, glorifying,and appreciating him. God is honored by our thankfulness, gratitiude, and enjoyment of Him."
While I was thinking about all of this, I thought how uniquely you have dealt with some things you have been exercised to think on in some of your posts. That's where I failed to make it clear - and I was just saying, if you are intrigued with this subject and decided to write on something I wrote, it would not be like mine at all.
@quest4god@revelife - 100 blogs...sounds like there wouldn't be much left to write.
Though, as you say, in spite of your 100 blogs, I'm sure I would write something different!
Honestly, I really haven't thought about it too much and I guess it should intrigue me, but really doesn't. I am excited at the prospect of being in heaven, and, as I said, I am more and more looking forward to heaven, but I'm at a different point right now. I am really more focused on trying to have His will be done in here on earth in my life as it is in heaven.
I think God has really given me so many wonderful tastes of heaven in the last few years, particularly in the past few months. I am gaining a greater sense of what I think heaven might be like.
You almost feel like you're hungry, but you're not really hungry, you're still sated and satisfied but at the moment when you're just about to become hungry, then luscious food appears in your mouth and you receive it with no complaint, it's the best food you've ever tasted and you give Him total adoration and praise for it.
Or you're almost thirsty, then when you're just on the brink of becoming thirsty, His fountain overflows into your mouth and again you receive it with no complaint; it's perfect and pure and refreshing and sweet and you give Him total adoration and praise.
Or you almost feel like your arms are empty and aching, but they're still full, and at the moment just before you sense they're empty, you feel His embrace and once again You praise and adore Him. The hug is perfectly fitted, it's not awkward in any way.
Or you've been walking and you're almost tired, but not tired and then just as you're about to collapse, He carries you with His eagles' wings and underneath you are His everlasting arms. And again, you praise and adore Him. You have no complaints whatsoever; the ride is smooth and wonderful.
And all the while you rejoice always because you know without a doubt that your heavenly Father is always supplying all your need before you even have a need and you know that He will always take care of you forever and ever and ever. He does it all for us; therefore all we can do is magnify and praise and glorify His Name forever and ever and ever.
I say these things primarily due to my experience with blogging (as well as opportunities He's given me to to speak with/writing to people individually). God keeps bringing me to the end of myself and there are times I have felt empty and so desperate but yet very quickly He brings me bread and wine, or He multiplies the few loaves and fishes I have. In the midst of these moments of emptiness (which are becoming more and more frequent), He is giving me such clear reassurances of His sure and sufficient provision. It's like when Elisha told His servant to look and see the invisible army and then God opened his eyes to see that the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire...O, may I have a heart of faith to trust Him. He is always faithful to His children!
Anyhow, I wasn't really expecting to write that...but now I do appreciate your "assignment."
Back to what I was going to write...When I first read your previous comment, initially I got excited b/c I had just read something in a book I'd picked up to reread re: what "to live is Christ" means right now, not in heaven, so I may end up posting some of that sometime...we'll see...
There you go.........you're on earth, I'm in heaven. Yet He is the same! Go for it!
@quest4god@revelife - I was reading today and just gravitated back to your assignment once more, except in the way you originally intended. I was thinking about and looking forward to the time when we will finally be through with this body of sin and temptation and the wiles of the devil forever! That is certainly reason for praise and worship in heaven!
I think my "there you go" might have been taken wrong. Fortunately for me, you did not take offense. What I meant (more or less) was that you see one side and I sometimes see another yet there is harmony in the whole of it.
Also, I would be presumptuous to say the least if I were to "assign" you a subject...but it has all been good-natured, so I leave it at that. However, (you knew there would be a "however," right?) I do recommend that you look in on Randy Alcorn's book, "Heaven." It has completely changed my conception of eternal life(or verified what I'd hoped heaven would be like). I'm not assigning the whole book - it contains probably 300 scripture references, 600 quotes or footnotes from several hundred authors and extends from creation to eternity in nearly 500 pages.
I was not sure when I first heard about the book. I remember "The Watchtower" magazine and somehow was afraid there was a connection to the two writings. After reading and rereading ( and looking up as much or the reference material as I could ), I have the utmost confidence that he is using all of the quotes in the way they were intended. You will be amazed at the corroboration of these people he cites.
Even in the Baptist church the New Heaven and New Earth were very vaguely referred to and there was no firm belief that heaven would be on Earth. Scary? I admit I was afraid to believe it at first. Maybe you understand all this completely, but for me it has taken me all these years to understand.
Anyway, this is what I am making all the fuss about. Knowing God better, preparing for eternity when I will reign with Him, and really appreciating all that He has made in His wisdom and power comes from this view of the culmination and restoration of His wonderful creation....He made it all!
@quest4god@revelife - No, no. I did take it as you intended.
When people suggest things to me, I do try to take them seriously ("Is this something I'm really supposed to do or not?"). Of course, that does require a lot of discernment and I can end up feeling guilty or sometimes doing things I'm not supposed to be doing.
I've only called it an assignment: 1) for lack of a better term and 2) partly in jest, plus 3) you are my elder after all.
I also believe I have given you "assignments" as well, so I suppose I'm due one!
I tend to give people assignments (not that they have to show me anything or hand me anything). I can teach people, but then they must have something to follow-up with to help appropriate that teaching. It's part of our working out the salvation God is working in us. They need to go back into the Word for themselves put their nose into it and gnaw on it (a la Piper). They can't expect to grow if they only passively receive the Word from me or whoever. We need spiritual homework or we won't advance and grow and mature.
At this point, to tell you the truth, I'm really not interested in reading the book, though perhaps I may sometime. I've got too many other things on my list and too many other posts to write now. Today I started reading Hudson Taylor's Spiritual Secret: meaty, packed to the brim and perfectly suited for where I am right now.
Re: heaven: I agree to disagree w/ people on the specifics of where heaven will be and end times theology, though I do believe heaven will be here on the new earth, which like you, I only came to believe relatively recently.